2008 PTFCA All-State Cross Country Team

The 2008 All State Outdoor Cross Country Team was selected by a committee of the PTFCA on 11/6 taking into consideration honors won, quality and consistency of performance and head-to-head competition.

Athlete of the Year Coach of the Year
Joe Beveridge, Bishop McDevitt (3) Ron Jaros, North Penn
 
1st Team Boys  
Joe Beveridge, Bishop McDevitt (3)  
Ben Furcht, Lower Merion  
Matt Gregory, Canon-McMillan  
Kyle Hurston, Carlisle  
Will Kellar, West Chester Henderson  
Daniel Krystek, Gateway  
Robert Micikas, Crestwood  
Brad Miles, North Penn  
Bud Plaszenski, DuBois  
Jimmy Tarsnane, Perkiomen Valley  
 
 
2nd Team Boys  
Reece Ayers, Tunkhannock  
Neal Berman, Lower Merion  
Sam Bernitt, North Penn  
Wade Endress, Altoona  
Kevin Hull, Hempfield (3)  
Tom Luff, Emmaus  
Vince Perozze, Perkiomen Valley  
Aldredo Santana, Neuva Eseranza  
Cam Stauffer, Seneca Valley  
Dan Wallace, Council Rock North  
 
 
Athlete of the Year Coach of the Year
Sophia Ziemian, Lewisburg Dan Wessner, Emmaus
 
1st Team Girls  
Leigha Anderson, Cumberland Valley  
Elaina Balouris, Hampton  
Natalie Bower, Greater Latrobe  
Jessica Cygan, Liberty  
Jenna Gigliotti, Norwin  
Lindsey Graybill, Emmaus  
Leslie Kovach, Norwin  
Leah Anne Wirfel, Forest Hills  
Lauren Zarger, Harbor Creek  
Sophia Ziemian, Lewisburg  
 
 
2nd Team Girls  
Christy Cohick, North Penn  
Katie Gorman, Plymouth-Whitemarsh  
Mary Jo Jakubek, Greater Latrobe
Kayla Keddal, Peters Twp.
Lindsay Kerr, Northwestern Lehigh
Kayleigh Perry, Eastern Lebanon
Marissa Polk, Oakland Catholic
Lindsay Rheiner, Council Rock North
Elizabeth Simpson, Boyertown
Chelsea Sumney, Trinity (7)

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  • jhj105 / 6 Years Ago
    I am amazed that Jim Spisak was left off the All-State team.
  • napoleon / 6 Years Ago
    while mary jo jakubek beat abby hewitt at the state meet and at wpial finals, i think the case could be made that hewitt deserves to be on the team more than mary jo -- congrats to both (and their team)on fine years, though...
  • IvoMilic / 6 Years Ago
    Correct me if I'm wrong but can the all state teams include teams that are not in PIAA. If so, Pat DeSabato from Friends' Central, Gus Mckenzie from Germantown Friends' and possibly even I deserve to be on this list. I know for a fact that Pat beat Brad Miles at Briarwood invitational and only lost to Berman, Furcht and Tarsnane at Paul Short. Gus Mckenzie beat most of the athletes on the list at Paul Short as well. As for me, I finished 3 seconds behind Miles at Briarwood and beat several of these guys at Paul Short and definitely ran a faster time than almost every PA runner at Manhattan Invite. I think athletes on teams that do not participate in PIAA should be looked at more closely.
  • surfman / 6 Years Ago
    it is strange that they didnt put Pat on, it seems that they messed up alot because they had liz simpson who won every race she ran except at states on the second team while they had ben who did the same as liz on the first team, then they had neal berman on the second team which i personally think is crap because he had a breakout year
  • runonxc / 6 Years Ago
    If winning at States is the only qualification, you can discount many many others. I have to defend Liz Simpson in stating that she won, not just won but dominated, nearly every competition, some against other runners she is grouped with in the All-State squads. PennTrack has been flooded recently with coversations and complaints about District 1 losing a team and five runners for States. Obviously the complaint stems from the feeling that District 1 is among the most competitive region in the state. And Liz won District 1. Should that be dismissed because she was not in the top 5, or top 10, at States? I'd rather state (no pun intended) that Liz moved up to 12th from 49th at States last year. I hope I haven't misunderstood your point, but I feel the need to defend her status on the team.
  • borntoyog / 6 Years Ago
    IvoMilic
    Correct me if I'm wrong but can the all state teams include teams that are not in PIAA. If so, Pat DeSabato from Friends' Central, Gus Mckenzie from Germantown Friends' and possibly even I deserve to be on this list. I know for a fact that Pat beat Brad Miles at Briarwood invitational and only lost to Berman, Furcht and Tarsnane at Paul Short. Gus Mckenzie beat most of the athletes on the list at Paul Short as well. As for me, I finished 3 seconds behind Miles at Briarwood and beat several of these guys at Paul Short and definitely ran a faster time than almost every PA runner at Manhattan Invite. I think athletes on teams that do not participate in PIAA should be looked at more closely.




    I hope you don't incur an injury patting yourself on the back!
  • D1hasbeen / 6 Years Ago
    When are you private school people going to learn? Meets mid season are no big deal to piaa teams. the best of piaa teams come out in the big meets. keep recruiting, bur most of all keep queit!!!
  • robhewitt / 6 Years Ago
    D1hasbeen
    When are you private school people going to learn? Meets mid season are no big deal to piaa teams. the best of piaa teams come out in the big meets. keep recruiting, bur most of all keep queit!!!


    Personally I have no interest in who deserves to be 1st or 2nd team all state. I agree with your statement that the best of the best race in the championship season. The results will speak for themselves.

    Your assumption that the Independent schools recruit for cross country and track couldn't be more incorrect. As a coach, I am not aware of a single athlete who represented the Independent Schools that was recruited. I am sure there may be incidences in other sports, but cross country and track recruiting is a non-issue.

    Recruiting is an issue that reaches public schools and private schools. The stereotype exists about private schools, though recruiting happens in the form of transferring within public schools. Alex Luechanka represented Warwick Valley HS, NY in the 2008 Penn Relays COA DMR and now has transferred to NXN NY favorite Shenendehowa HS, NY to compete this fall. Steve Murdock, current Syracuse runner and former 2007 Footlocker and NTN Finalist, transferred into Shenendehowa HS, NY from Saratoga Springs HS, NY before his senior year. Transferring is not contained to only New York. The Dawson twins who originally began their high school careers at Coatesville, transferred out to another school only to return to Coatesville before winning the 2006 NTN title and 2007 Penn Relays COA DMR title.

    When are private schools going to learn? That is a question I can not answer for you, though asking private school runners to keep quiet might not happen. I wouldn't bet on Don Bosco, NJ (a private school and NXN favorite) or any other private school runner to keep quiet because they are after the same results you are.
  • randywilson / 6 Years Ago
    I realize that these forums allow people to discuss whatever they want, but this private schools rant is a little off base with the All State Team-(but I feel the need to repsond to it)First of all what they do in NY has nothing to do with PA. Heck Saratoga Springs gets girls from all over the country to come their school and run - I am not aware of the rules NY has regarding this, but if they can girls to come from different states to be a part of their program then I guess they are doing something right and more power to them - they are ranked nationally every year-Second-NJ has I believe 6 different divisions -4 public, a parochial and a prep classification, each having their own state champions and anyone who knows NJ knows certain athletes in certain sports go to certain schools I am a little out of the NJ loop but for years swimmers=St. Joes and runners=CBA and again more power to them, their programs were always amazing. In PA on the other hand as you stated students transferred to another school, which means they had to move from one district to another--not remotely the same way students can "transfer" to a private school. As a coach in a small public school that is in the same town as a private school I know how this issue has divided a town and it is sad, so watch closely when you compare public and private schools when it comes to recruting. Back to the topic at hand Jimmy Spisak was deserving of being on the team in my opinion--whatever that is worth
  • tonyd / 6 Years Ago
    In following this thread, it is my opinion that the issues raised by the first 3 posts are valid issues and appropriate for discussion in this forum. I didn't see any ranting in those posts, nor in most of the others. Our sport has a purity to that shouldn't be tainted by puzzling decisions/selections. It is not a matter of "when are...people going to learn." Also, demanding that "bur[sic] most of all keep quiet" not only misses the point but also suggests an attitude of intolerance and arrogance that is rarely found in our sport.
    I agree with robhewitt that the results speak for themselves. That's why the first 3 posts are relevant. There are many puzzling aspects to the selections. I won't list them all. However, as an Independent School coach(track but not cross country), I believe that it strains credibility that no recognition was accorded to the Independent Schools State Champion (who also won the InterAc), the Friends' League Champion, or the runner up at Independent School States who was also the runner at the FSL Championship This is particularly puzzling when viewed in terms of head to head competition with PIAA competitors.
    As a final point, I can validate that in my experience there has not been recruiting of cross country or track athletes at Independent Schools.
  • randywilson / 6 Years Ago
    No mention of ranting in any other post was made other than Rob Hewitts! No athletes from prominant fall sports participate in track, wow that amazes me!
  • robhewitt / 6 Years Ago
    My post was a monologue, not a rant.
  • dennisyoung / 6 Years Ago
    Anyone can recruit (as I understand it recruiting just means having a kid visit your high school and then telling him why he should go there), so the real complaint people must have with private schools is their ability to give athletic scholarships. I seriously, seriously doubt that any distance runner in the history of Lasalle, GFS, Friends' Central, O'Hara, and Malvern/Scranton/Holy Ghost/Devon/St. Joe's Prep has received any scholarship money.
    D1hasbeen
    When are you private school people going to learn? Meets mid season are no big deal to piaa teams. the best of piaa teams come out in the big meets. keep recruiting, bur most of all keep queit!!!

    Well, except for Holy Ghost.
  • fcsapd87 / 6 Years Ago
    D1hasbeen said:
    When are you private school people going to learn? Meets mid season are no big deal to piaa teams. the best of piaa teams come out in the big meets. keep recruiting, bur most of all keep queit!!!

    I am a private school runner. My name is Patrick DeSabato, and I go to Friends' Central (can anyone tell who D1hasbeen is?). It appesrs from the list that Independent School runners were not considered without bias toward PIAA runners. We may not be part of the PIAA but we ARE part of the PTFCA who makes these lists.
    Also, how can a PIAA runner (or hasbeen) say that Independent School runners care any more about mid season meets than PIAA runners? We have our own championships to worry about, and we are also training hard for FootLocker or NXN. We do have championships, and therefore cannot afford to peak for Paul Short or Manhattan. At those meets, we are in the same stage in our season as PIAA kids are in theirs.
    The teams are set for this year, but I think that in the future it is important that Independent School Runners get the same consideration as PIAA runners. It would be criminal if, in coming years, people like Gus McKenzie or Dustin Wilson were left off lists like this because they were forgotten about as Independent School runners.
  • mad_staltz / 6 Years Ago
    fcsapd87


    I am a private school runner. My name is Patrick DeSabato, and I go to Friends' Central (can anyone tell who D1hasbeen is?). It appesrs from the list that Independent School runners were not considered without bias toward PIAA runners. We may not be part of the PIAA but we ARE part of the PTFCA who makes these lists.
    Also, how can a PIAA runner (or hasbeen) say that Independent School runners care any more about mid season meets than PIAA runners? We have our own championships to worry about, and we are also training hard for FootLocker or NXN. We do have championships, and therefore cannot afford to peak for Paul Short or Manhattan. At those meets, we are in the same stage in our season as PIAA kids are in theirs.
    The teams are set for this year, but I think that in the future it is important that Independent School Runners get the same consideration as PIAA runners. It would be criminal if, in coming years, people like Gus McKenzie or Dustin Wilson were left off lists like this because they were forgotten about as Independent School runners.

    real talk
  • jmcclernand / 6 Years Ago
    dennisyoung,

    Are you implying Holy Ghost gives money to kids to run? That's hilarious. Most of the kids on that team never even ran in grade school. Chylak ran in grade school but he was a sprinter. The rest of that varsity xc team never ran a xc race before high school.
  • jmcclernand / 6 Years Ago
    [quote=jmcclernand]dennisyoung,

    Sorry! Your right about the midseason thing, but they certainly don't recruit.
  • jmcclernand / 6 Years Ago
    [quote=jmcclernand]dennisyoung,

    Sorry! Your right about the midseason thing, but they certainly don't recruit.
  • mfitzkee / 6 Years Ago
    i definitely agree with Pat Desabato, in the future if people like Dustin Wilson aren't ranked, it would be a major injustice, because he's on his way to being the best runner in the state, out of everyone. XC is a relatively simple sport to make rankings for, if someone beats someone else, then they are better, no excuses. If you consistently lose to someone they are better than you, so it should all be based on times, regardless of other factors.
  • Kkelly / 6 Years Ago
    I agree that at least one of the private schools guys should have been on the team. DeSabato beat 3 All State guys at Paul Short(Beveridge, Perozzi and Luff). McKenzie beat Luff and was 1 second behind Perozzi. McCullough beat them both at the Private Schools State Champs. I believe the criteria for selection is honors won and then head to head. It seems like a Western bias against the private school runners. Or, just a lack of awareness of them. That's a shame because those guys are very good runners. Despite what their coaches say, that recognition is important to them and they shouldn't be looked down upon just because they're not in the PIAA.

    With that being said, how could Beveridge be runner of the year over Tarsnane? Joe had a great year, but Jimmy beat him at Paul Short and ran faster then him at the State Meet.
  • 72261 / 6 Years Ago
    Tarsnane was the obvious choice for XC runner of the year
    AAA State Champion, 2 Invitational wins, beat Furcht@ states, Beveridge at Paul Short.

    A strong case can also be made for Furcht
    District 1 Champion, 3 Invitational wins, beat Tarsnane and Beveridge at Paul Short.

    Beveridge - State AA Champion, 0 Invitational wins, did not beat Tarsnane or Furcht in XC

    Maybe they did not want to give it to a District 1 runner for the 3rd year in a row
  • dennisyoung / 6 Years Ago
    jmcclernand
    [quote=jmcclernand]dennisyoung,

    Sorry! Your right about the midseason thing, but they certainly don't recruit.


    I am really sorry if my post could be construed in any way implying that Ghost recruits, I am completely aware that they do not. Two recent graduates are on my team now and we're trying to add Mr. Chylak. Edited my previous post to include HGP in the list of schools that probably have never spent a scholarship dollar on running in their history.
  • IvoMilic / 6 Years Ago
    It should say 1st team independent school state.
  • IvoMilic / 6 Years Ago
    It should say 1st team independent school state.
  • tonyd / 6 Years Ago
    As the FCS track coach, I maintain the school website on PennTrackXC.. I determine what is listed in their athletic honors. Ivo was 4th at the Independent School state meet thereby earning first team honors. It's nice to see that there are athletes out there that are keeping track of the accomplishments of the FCS runners.
  • JacokNortovc / 5 Years Ago
    I'll bet you any xc kid who picks up a basketball could outlast any basketball player on the court, playing at peak performance for the entire game, and wear the other kid out. the speedier xc kids could run down the football field, outstripping defenders late in the game when that last second touchdown is needed.

    "real sports" as you put it, are all technical. the truly good football, basketball, and soccer teams are the ones that can play hard the entire game. they're the ones with conditioning. conditioning is the hard part. anyone can pick up a ball and learn the trade of the sport. the real challenge is being able to last the whole game. xc kids can do that, which makes xc the real sport. they can do the challenging part. all xc is is the hard parts of sports, leaving the easy ball stuff out.
  • reece / 5 Years Ago
    cdt11's mom goes to college
  • carolynfergus / 5 Years Ago
    dude why are you even a member of this site? just to bash on all the runners? get a life
  • JacokNortovc / 5 Years Ago
    I played basketball, baseball, football, and soccer and I was good at all of them. And I will take you at any of those sports, and any other, and I will beat you. You wanna go bash runners? go do it on a site where you aren't literally surrounded by them.
  • runslowxc / 5 Years Ago
    Cdt11 probally doesn't play any sports or sucks at the ones he plays so he puts some true athletes down, so no worries.
    Games require skill. Running requires endurance, character, pride, physical strength, and mental toughness. Running is a test, not a game. A test of faith, belief, will, and trust in ones self. So hardcore that it needs a category all to itself to define the pain. When game players criticize, it's because they aren't willing to understand, not because they're stronger. Running is more than a sport; it's a lifestyle. If you have to ask us why we run, you'll never understand, so just accept.
  • runslowxc / 5 Years Ago
    u want to meet up and go one on one in some bball?
  • hxcrunner1 / 5 Years Ago
    cdt11 what's you problem? Why do you come on an xc site and bag on xc runners? Does that make you feel like a bad ass or a big man. And you really think your in better shape than xc runners, that's a joke.
  • modestmouse76 / 5 Years Ago
    Yeah dude, your right. running is incredibly easy. And I'm glad that you, as such the impressive self proclaimed athlete that you are, have created an account on a running website just to tell us how easy it is. I'm sure i speak for everyone when i say thank you. Thanks for telling a bunch of runners about running. We clearly need to be informed on our sport.
  • Jake440 / 5 Years Ago
    Quick question cdt11: Why would you create an account on a running website, dig up a thread from two years ago, and start abusing a sport you don't even play? Is it because you are bored? Insecure? I feel like someone who was actually all-state or whatever would have better things to do than troll around a running website. While i feel sorry for your pathetic attempt to boost your self-confidence by insulting strangers over the internet, I encourage you to put your time into more productive than acting like a tough guy over the internet.
  • JacokNortovc / 5 Years Ago
    I think it's a joke that you think you know how much I weigh, first of all. Second of all, the reason I choose not to play those sports at the varsity level is because I don't enjoy them, that's all.

    Also, the "real athletes" as you call them, don't bother to come on here to bash another sport. This leads me to believe that you really aren't as good as you say you are at any of those sports, or you were all state in wyoming or something.

    I guess my point is, don't talk smack on xc runners unless you can do what they can. Yeah, a lot of runners can't play the games you can. You don't see them bashing football or anything. But you know what? A lot of them can. So deal with it.
  • carolynfergus / 5 Years Ago
    since i feel like the "idiot" part of that comment was addressed to me, i just want to tell you something.

    first of all, i'm a girl. not a 150 pound "scronny" (otherwise known as SCRAWNY to those of us with intelligence who can actually spell) boy. and second of all, i could still probably beat you at any race from the 400m up.

    no, i've never played any sport besides xc or track on a varsity level...wanna know why? because the sport i play is a three-season commitment. four, if you count summer training, which i tend to do. and all that time we runners put in to our sport...it results in some pretty in-shape kids. so no, your running for ten yards at a time on a football field or a basketball court does not get you into better shape then me.

    i have a lot of respect for other sports. my dad is a basketball coach. i used to play, i absolutely love the sport. if i can give you your props, why can't you give us ours? it's not like we're threatening you. we just chill here in our running website. it's you who is coming out of your way to insult and harass us. so i reiterate: get a life. maybe join a basketball website? since your apparently so good...
  • RunForIT13 / 5 Years Ago
    All I can say is that based on what you've said cdt11, some people get paid a heck of a lot of money in sponsorships to do a 'hobby'.
  • Lobster / 5 Years Ago
    wow what a faggot why is anyone even giving this kid a time of day
  • bigbob2 / 5 Years Ago
    Princeton huh? this ass clown can't even spell...scronny? we really have one of America's finest here on our forum don't we...we should be honored by this Ivy League intelligence. But hey, it doesn't matter for him, clearly he is the next big thing in basketball and football, among other sports. Maybe if LeBron leaves Cleveland, you can step right in and be the savior of the town. I got faith in you kid, because you certainly seem to be the most talented kid I've ever heard of to brag about himself on a high school running forum. Hey man, in 3 years, be sure not to sell out your country, ok? Play for the Red White and Blue and bring home another Gold in the Olympics for us. Thanks in advance.

    But seriously, nothing pisses me off more than some guy who has to relive his glory days on a forum for a sport he clearly doesn't respect. O no, that's not true, when a guy doesn't have any glory days, and has to piss off some people to make himself feel better, that annoys me the most. However, this guy is a bit comical, insulting our sport like he does. When you go out and run a 13 mile training run the day after a 5K invitational, come talk to me. Running teaches a person to be tough and to be self-confident, because there is nothing tougher than cutting that second off a mile time or an 800 time after hardcore training for 6 months. There is nothing that builds character more than doing a workout on a snow covered track when the snow is still pounding and the runner's lungs are frozen. Yes, football plays in the snow, but not with only a tiny singlet and shorts on. Distance runners are the toughest athletes because of the factors needed to do to become elite. It takes athleticism (yes it absolutely does, you are wrong pal, just to save you the retort), but also desire, talent, determination, and an unbelievable work ethic. No other sport requires all these factors for all its athletes. How many basketball players get through college solely on athleticism and then struggle at the NBA level? Well, maybe you don't see too much of that at the Ivy League level. However, this happens in college basketball quite often, and it just doesn't in running, which is because even the most talented distance runner will be average or worse without consistent training.

    I have played almost every sport imaginable in my career, and many at a high level, and I will say without any doubt whatsoever that running requires the most diligence and determination, and is certainly the toughest sport at which to become elite. In high school, I was a good runner, but not a great runner. I was arguably much better at other sports, but at no sport did I work harder than I did at running. I worked much harder at running because it gave me the most fulfillment, and the comaraderie was unbeatable. However, I still remained a good runner at the high school level, but not great. Trying to be modest but also trying to make a point, I am a good athlete. I am good at many sports, but the fact that I gave much more to running than to any other sport and still was better at other sports than I was at running is a firm example of the fact that distance running does not come easy, and it is not a sport that basketball and football athletes can "easily dominate."

    "Point made and you are now put in your place." Hit the books kid.
  • BKGBKG24 / 5 Years Ago
    This kid cdt is the best athlete i know...he the best he plays ever sport.. he is going to princton and any of u are idiots for thinking that he was a terrible athlete u all are terrible hes the man and the best athelte better than all of you.
  • realathlete101 / 5 Years Ago
    hi guys
  • BKGBKG24 / 5 Years Ago
    This kid cdt is the best athlete i know...he the best he plays ever sport.. he is going to princton and any of u are idiots for thinking that he was a terrible athlete u all are terrible hes the man and the best athelte better than all of you.
  • realathlete101 / 5 Years Ago
    this cdt is the real deal he is going to attend Princeton for basketball 1st team all state
  • runjoerun / 5 Years Ago
    Ain't this fun. Look every sport has its requirements. I really don't think a football or basketball player could survive a training week of an average xc runner (60-70 miles/week + weight work - yes light weights many reps) just like the average xc runner probably couldn't survive a week of getting pummelled in blocking/tackling and other drills on the football field. Its why different people participate in different sports. Calling each other weak is good smack talk but doesn't really prove much. Like cdt mentioned, a lot of people wouldn't want to run 10 miles for the fun of it (me neither) but shooting a little round ball into a big hoop for an hout isn't always someone's idea of fun either. On a final note, anyone playing D1 in any sport has got to be a good athlete and a better one then I, but lets be realisitc here, Princeton isn't exactly Duke or Kentucky so you may be very good and better then most - but I would consider many current great b-ballers and Princeton in the same breath.
  • RUNNER1000 / 5 Years Ago
    next person that replies to the troll will be attacked by alligators
  • ptxcountry34 / 5 Years Ago
    I like that 4 accounts were created within one week and have posted no where but this topic. Having been good at, enjoyed, and understand the abilities and skills required for basketball, baseball, and running this made my day.
  • ptxcountry34 / 5 Years Ago
    I like that 4 accounts were created within one week and have posted no where but this topic. Having been good at, enjoyed, and understand the abilities and skills required for basketball, baseball, and running this made my day.
  • bigbob2 / 5 Years Ago
    So you are from alaska, huh? I'm not even going to get into that little tidbit because that opens up just too many possibilities for insults. All I will say is that this is a site dedicated to running, primarily distance running, in Pennsylvania. You are neither from Pennsylvania nor are a runner, so I am not sure what your angle is, other than to boast over the internet and piss people off. So look to your right on your screen, there is an Alaska forum, go brag about yourself there, because apparantly everyone in your state must know who you are. Just get the hell out of here.
  • runjoerun / 5 Years Ago
    Needed to edit post - forgot a major word
    On a final note, anyone playing D1 in any sport has got to be a
    good athlete and a better one then I, but lets be realisitc here, Princeton isn't exactly Duke or Kentucky so you may be very good and better then most - but I would not consider many current great b-ballers and Princeton in the same breath.
  • PTXC / 5 Years Ago
    I grew tired of that guy. I'd pay to watch him RACE a 5K and not lose his breakfast, lunch and last week's dinner. And the day a Princeton student does not know the difference between "than" and "then" is a very sad day, indeed. Come back big guy, and I'll delete you again.
  • bigbob2 / 5 Years Ago
    haha nice well done
  • cdt11 / 5 Years Ago
    so you can't put my comments up because you only want your opinions to show up.. bitch.. and it's a forum not a formal paper i didn't know I had to spell everything correctly.. this guy is a complete faggot
  • cdt11 / 5 Years Ago
    bigbob2 do you want that PTXC's number? You seem pretty fond of him maybe you two can go on a gay date together perhaps?